- These are 5 of the bigger mysteries we are currently trying to
solve. There is still an incredible amount of history that has
been buried, but we wanted to highlight some of the more pressing items
we are looking at.
- These will change from time to time. This page has been last updated on: August 28, 2008
Unknown diner manufacturer: Solved 2022, answer coming soon.
The Park Diner in Clarion, PA has always been a peculiar looking
diner. It's like a mini barrel roof on top of a regular sized
barrel. Nothing much was thought of this diner because no other
similar diner had ever been located. Well, recent developments
has found a second similar diner. This leads one to believe that
some company built these diners. But who? To look at one of these
diners, click on
this link. This is of a diner in Linesville, PA from 1941.
Diner Organization in Buffalo, NY:
The National Association of Dining Car Owners and Operators was
an organization incorporated in Buffalo, NY and covered western New
York and Erie, PA. In 1931, they met every Monday night and
published a monthly newsletter. Nothing is known of the group
except for the one newsletter, which we here at NYDiners.com have not
been able to view.
J.H. Shale:
J.H. Shale was the foreman for Rochester Grills. He was hired by
Barnard and Simonds who owned Rochester Grills. Barnard and Simonds was
a furniture maker, and probably turned to diner manufacturing to get
through the depression, as many other automobile body builders did.
The importance of J.H. Shale is heightened by a 1935 New York
Times ad stating that Shale previously worked for Bixler, a company
that did moderately well in New York City.
So the question was, how did Mr. Shale get to Rochester, NY or
Norwalk, Ohio? Well, there was a J.H. Shale who worked for a
piano company in Rochester up until 1918. Then this gentleman moved to
NYC. The big problem is that there were two J.H. Shales in
Rochester. The ones whose obituary was located is the wrong Shale. City
directories in Norwalk only exist for the years of 1930 and 1935 and
contain no Shale. The answer of how Shale got to Norwalk may
relate to a letter from George Foster stating that Shale owned about
$30,000 to Foster, the NYC piano magnate. Foster owned the factory
where Bixler Diners were built as it previously had been used for
building pianos.
Sunbury, PA: Answer 2022: Moved to Shamokin, but only lasted a short time there. So the mystery is where did it move next?
This may be the easiest of the mysteries, but it may also never
be solved. A November 9, 1928 Oswego Palladium article stated, "John
Donovan of Fulton, NY plans to open a Green and White diner in Sunbury,
PA in the company of Thomas Fitzgerald." Green and White, we
assume, was used because there was a Ward and Dickinson diner in Fulton
known as the Green and White Diner. This was the color scheme for
a Ward.
Kendallville, Indiana:
A unique village in Indiana that contained three lunch wagons at
one time. One was fortunately photographed, but those photographs
only lead to more questions, namely, who built it. Fulk's Lunch
Wagon is quite similar to a Closson lunch wagon, but if it is indeed a
Closson, it must have been greatly remodeled.
See a picture of Fulk's exterior here.
An interior picture shows the body that looks very similar to a
Closson, but with a counter arrangement across the width of the diner
which was not what Closson used. There were also supports put into the
ceiling across the transom, but these could have very easily been put
in by the owner. The other two lunch wagons only made print
appearance in the local newspaper and the high school yearbook in 1918.
Lawson Brickley opened up a diner around 1927-1928 which lasted
until the 1950s. The diner was last known as the Trolley Diner,
but as many diner researchers know, Ward and Dickinsons were often
mistaken as trolley cars.